DEFENDANT TESTIMONY · DAY 9
Original Prison Watch recordReconstructed reading guide by Child Protection Action Alliance
Ninthtrial hearing
Kaikai citizen-judge trial record | Tuesday, May 6, 2025
In one sentencing investigation, the defendants’ descriptions of responsibility, knowledge, deleted records and post-offense attitudes must be placed sentence by sentence within evidentiary limits.
This page concerns child maltreatment, death and sentencing evidence. The 102 Q&A pairs reconstruct Prison Watch’s public DAY9 record and five-page PDF tables. Apparent source typos or colloquial transcription are not rewritten in the full Q&A. Defendants’ statements are not judicial findings, and the artwork is not evidence.
Day 9 at a glance
Caixuan then Ruolin were questioned in the morning on living/work background, acceptance or denial of responsibility, rituals and settlement, awareness of injuries, deleted records and post-offense attitudes.
Do not merge two accounts into one
Each defendant’s answers are retained separately, then cross-checked on seven themes including responsibility, knowledge, deletion, rituals, role and repair. Each discrepancy returns to original answers; this page does not decide credibility for the court.
09:33–14:10 | How proceedings advanced
- Hearing continued · Caixuan questioned
Defense asked life history, finances, rituals, settlement and reasons for admitting guilt; prosecutors asked care experience, income, reporting, emergency care, Mira and changing accounts.
- Recess
Resumed 10:37 with citizen judges, the commissioned judge and presiding judge.
- Ruolin questioned
Defense asked rituals, assessment report, deleted LINE messages, work pressure and role; prosecutors and judges pursued denial, knowledge and intervention.
- Recess
Resumed 11:31 with citizen judges, the commissioned judge and presiding judge.
- Morning adjournment
Resumed 14:10 for victim-participation representatives’ statements and detention-extension proceedings. The source notes “did not attend in the afternoon.”
Four reading threads | Distinguish statement types first
Background and motive
Income, debt, family interactions and work pressure are self-reported; check separately against documents and other witnesses.
Admissions, denials and changes
Admitting binding, denying offenses, claiming misunderstanding and admitting prior lies concern different scopes and times.
Rituals, deletion and settlement
Religious rites, deleting records, family contact and financial preparation cannot be combined into a single “remorse.”
Objections and blank answers
When the court stops a question on sentencing opinion, the defendant’s answer remains blank; counsel’s or the judge’s words do not fill it.
Caixuan’s testimony | Financial motives to accepting responsibility
73 Q&A pairs. This first organizes her courtroom account; original wording remains in the Q&A section.
She said September–December 2023 income exceeded NT$50,000 monthly, her lifetime high. Fear of losing referrals and income contributed to incomplete requests for help or reporting.
She admitted not telling the truth to police, prosecutors and Dr. Hsu’s assessment, citing fear of criminal responsibility and inability to face it.
She said she attended all 12 ritual days. NT$300,000 comprised NT$100,000 each from foundation payments, a Ruolin loan and a temple-head discount. Counsel contacted the family, who did not want settlement.
Under the presiding judge’s follow-up, “Sorry, I was wrong” became “I should say I caused it”; she said causing the child pain and death was her fault.
“I should say I caused it.”— DAY9 · Presiding judge questions Caixuan
Ruolin’s testimony | Knowledge, deletion and continuing denial
29 Q&A pairs. She discussed rituals, assessment, LINE, family and work pressures while continuing to deny the offenses.
She said she had seen only the head and feeding method, learned of whole-body injuries only when the doctor illustrated them, and regretted not asking her sister or watching the child more.
She admitted inappropriate content and deleting it herself, saying she learned not to delete records.
She held childcare qualifications and was the registered person, but described in-law business/staffing pressures and denied necessarily leading.
She said the basin incident led to mistaken accomplice allegations. Under prosecution questioning she admitted only negligent injury: “I really did not hit him.”
“Yes, I really did not hit him.”— DAY9 · Prosecutor questions Ruolin
Caixuan × Ruolin | Testimony comparison
Source labels lead to full answers, and cited answer cards generate return links for two-way comparison.
Same theme, each person’s original words
Juxtaposition reveals agreement, complementarity or differences, not accepted facts.
TopicCaixuan’s original Q&ARuolin’s original Q&AEvidentiary boundary
Income, referrals and work role
C04 | Fear of losing referralsC09 | Highest-income periodC40 | Reason for no reportC41 | Incomplete plea for help
R08 | Business/in-law pressureR09 | Qualifications/registration
Self-report contextBoth discuss work/income pressure, but income, referrals, registration and actual decision power require separate objective verification.
Ritual purpose, funding and disclosure
C52 | Dual purposesC70 | NT$300,000 sourceC72 | Sister’s help neededC73 | Says rites for child explained
R01 | Temple account/NT$300,000R02 | Says no reason explainedR21 | NT$100,000 loanR22 | Sometimes attended
Direct discrepancyCaixuan said she explained rites were for the child’s passage; Ruolin answered “No” to reasons being explained. Both are shown without deciding credibility.
Candor, concealment and deletion
C23 | Untruth in interviewsC25 | Lies during assessmentC50 | Admits insufficient candorC62 | Concealed from family/counsel
R05 | Inappropriate exchangesR06 | Deleted LINE herself
Separate admissionsOne admits concealment at multiple stages, the other deleting exchanges. Content, timing and legal evaluation cannot be merged.
Knowledge of injuries and condition
C46 | Emergency doctor’s accountC47 | Denies emergency statementC51 | Activity after noonC53 | Says death risk learned in court
R03 | Saw head/feeding onlyR15 | Injuries unclearR16 | No close pretrial lookR17 | Still denies offenses
Each person’s claimed knowledgeThese are self-descriptions. Injuries, cause of death and detectability require medical testimony, images and judicial findings.
Care experience, leadership and influence
C03 | Switch to childcareC29 | Preschool locationsC30 | Three sisters running itC43 | Other children not bound
R08 | Denies leadingR09 | Childcare qualificationR13 | Basin incident caused misunderstanding
Role disputeQualifications, registration, family pressure and felt leadership are different facts. No single one determines actual control or participation.
Accepting/denying responsibility and remorse
C14 | Harm in ritual petitionC15 | Admits bindingC23 | Admits earlier untruthC68 | “I caused it”C69 | “My fault”
R13 | Mistaken accomplice allegationR17 | “I really didn’t hit him”R18 | Conduct needs correctionR19 | Seemed reasonable thenR20 | Did not think that far
Core discrepancyCaixuan moved toward admitting harm in court; Ruolin continued denial. Admission, denial, remorse and responsibility scope require separate evaluation.
Was post-offense repair achieved?
C19 | Says apology sincereC21 | Family did not want settlementC22 | Insurance reserveC69 | Courtroom remorseC70 | Ritual funds
R01 | Ritual accountR02 | Says purpose not explainedR21 | LoanR22 | Attendance frequencyR24 | Other relatives absent
Do not combineRites, money spent, courtroom remorse, apologies to family and family acceptance of repair are separate, non-substitutable matters.
For sentencing-assessment background, also compare DAY8 Q46 | No responsibility reduction and DAY8 Q59 | Conditional reintegration; DAY8 expert opinions do not replace DAY9 defendants’ answers.
Full questioning | Questions left, answers right
Desktop uses two columns, mobile question then answer. Wording and visible line breaks follow the PDF; apparent typos are not silently corrected. The sole sentencing question without a defendant answer is marked as a procedural ruling.
Showing 102 Q&A pairs
In 2022 you made traditional snacks at home. What was your income?
So-so.
More specifically.
Income came with orders, several a month. Average about NT$10,000, at most NT$17,000 at Dragon Boat Festival. That was my average share after splitting with Liu Ruo-
lin.
Why switch to childcare?
I cared for my younger sister’s child; a friend suggested it too.
Why not insist on refusing to care for A?
1. Placement slots: afraid future referrals would be harder. 2. Fewer cases/children would mean less income.
Any debt from 2022 to April 2023?
Mine was repaid. I don’t know much about my husband’s; I could not shoulder it and did not ask.
Why debt?
My husband borrowed in my name.
How much and how repaid?
Principal over NT$1 million; negotiated installments with the bank.
Since my son’s high-school years; I don’t remember well.
Whose house, and rent?
My sister’s. Over a year owing, over NT$100,000. She did not demand it, but I hoped to repay as much as possible and not owe her.
Snack income before 2022?
Before 2022 about NT$30,000-plus; 2022–April 2023 over NT$10,000; September–December 2023 over NT$50,000, the most in my life.
If the foundation said placements were a matter of affinity and it would not stop referrals, would you
dare speak up?
Yes.
Who drafted the ritual petition, and why?
I planned to write on paper. The temple head’s daughter suggested typing first to check suitability, then writing it down.
Its purpose?
I wanted to help A reach the Pure Land. Other devotees suggested other requests, but mainly I wanted the deities/Buddhas to lead A to the Western Paradise.
Why send it from Ruolin’s phone?
Police seized mine on December 24.
What did “the aunt’s failures” in the petition mean to you?
Report it to Buddha at the opening, burn it after completion.
The harm to him, making him lose his precious life.
Does binding him count too?
Yes.
Did you tell anyone the petition’s contents?
No.
Who arranged/suggested the ritual?
The temple head’s wife suggested it.
How many days, and did you attend daily?
Twelve days; every day.
Did you sincerely want to apologize?
Yes.
Why tell no one?
I lacked courage.
In detention you asked counsel to discuss settlement. What did the lawyer report
back?
They approached the family; the family did not want settlement.
Source of settlement funds?
I habitually carry insurance. I asked counsel to check the surrender reserve with my agent; the answer was NT$800,000–1 million.
You admitted binding and forced standing but not abuse, and did not tell police/prosecutors
the truth. Why admit it now?
Yes. Guilt grows daily, not lessens. I feared telling the truth because criminal responsibility frightened me.
Not frightened now?
Still, but I blame myself deeply.
Still lying to Dr. Hsu’s team last October?
Yes; I could not face it.
What would your religion say?
Reincarnation.
Will A one day seek retribution?
I don’t know.
Is religion one reason for admitting guilt?
Yes.
Where was the preschool you ran with Ruolin?
No.1, fourth floor; No.6, first floor; the two were connected, then separated.
All three sisters ran it together?
Yes.
Which children were accepted?
Age zero to the oldest preschool class, more than ten.
Fees?
NT$10,000 per child monthly.
You are experienced. How should one handle crying, mischief or noncompliance
in a child?
Soothe them, then inform parents.
Cooperation with the foundation?
First time, May that year.
Also for adoption?
Yes, but the mother later could not part and took the child back.
Why cooperate with the foundation?
The temple daughter and friend Ms. Lai, who cared for Garden of Hope children, suggested it. I called Garden of Hope: no children then, but I could start the
in-home care application. They also gave other organizations; I contacted them, the foundation second.
What training?
Primarily children and meeting their care needs.
Was A a “high-needs” child?
I haven’t heard that term.
Was self-collision by a child in your care a bad thing?
I thought so then.
Did you report to social worker Chen?
No, afraid no more children would be assigned.
Defense says A was hard to care for. Did you fully seek help?
No, afraid of losing income.
Did you bind or wrap other children?
No.
Were the unlawful methods used on A part of childcare teaching?
No, they were not.
Was NT$1,000 a day too little?
Yes.
You took A to Wanfang on December 24, 2023. Did the hospital ask you to contact his
family?
I took him. I could contact the social-worker contact point, not the family.
How did you feel?
Nervous, racing heartbeat; I don’t know.
Did you tell emergency doctors appetite and activity were normal on December 23?
I remember not meeting the doctor; only police asking whether I had reached anyone.
So emergency Dr. Huang was wrong?
I don’t know. I kept contacting the social worker; she might not attend but would contact family.
Mira testified that on December 26 you and your eldest sister’s son told her not
to tell police things, just say she saw nothing. Did that happen?
No. I said say what you saw, and say you don’t know if you don’t.
Regarding Dr. Huang and Mira’s accounts, did you obstruct investigation?
Perhaps; not candid or brave enough.
Did you tell counsel A was less active after noon?
Yes, I did.
Was the petition to avoid prison or to guide A to the
afterlife?
Both, perhaps.
You said only hearing Dr. Lu Li during trial taught you it could cause a child’s
death?
That is how I think.
Then what you told counsel about the petition?
That too.
The three crimes you admit carry ten years one month to life. What is your own
opinion?
Defendant’s answer field blank.
Defense objects: parties should not pronounce sentence.Presiding judge sustains objection: sentencing is the court’s work.
Did the foundation say how long finding adoptive parents would take?
No; I don’t know.
How long did you expect to be with A?
No way to anticipate it.
Were you not worried your care failures would cost you placements?
I did not think that far then.
Did counsel not show you the assessment report?
Yes, but I did not read closely.
Did you explain events to other relatives after the incident?
Busy with rituals, little time together; my son came home very late [apparent source typo], and my husband slept when tired of TV.
Did your sister-in-law send LINE to your husband from your dictated account?
Through my husband, I asked his elder sister to help find a lawyer.
Counsel wanted a process account, so on December 30 we met at a breakfast shop on Minquan East/West Road to dictate and send it.
Was what you told counsel and family untrue?
It should be, I suppose; there was concealment [fragmented source wording].
Do your three children live with you?
My son does, daughters not. They return for New Year and initiate video calls every month or two, sometimes minutes, sometimes over an
hour.
Do you chat/discuss matters with son and husband?
No, I don’t.
Chat with eldest sister?
She works, so not normally; on holidays, yes.
Does your son give living expenses? Have you asked?
No.
Apart from forehead and binding injuries, do you still think A’s
falls or behavioral problems caused them?
Sorry, I was wrong.
Answer the question.
I should say I caused it.
How do you feel after the trial so far?
The harm was too deep and cost his life. I cared for A with inappropriate conduct, causing such pain; it was my fault.
Where did ritual money come from?
NT$300,000 total: withdrew NT$100,000 from foundation money, Ruolin helped with NT$100,000, and I asked the temple head to waive NT$100,000 as charity.
Was Ruolin’s money a loan or gift?
Loan; that is what I told her.
Why need Ruolin’s agreement for rituals?
The temple wife suggested it, but I lacked money and did not agree immediately. Only Ruolin’s willingness to help made it possible.
Did you tell Ruolin why? Her response?
I said rites for the child’s passage; she said that was good.
How did the temple head explain the ritual?
She said a ritual cost NT$300,000. I asked her to negotiate lower. Later she came and said a child in your hands had, after all, simply died.
Was a reason given for holding it?
No.
How did the expert’s report and testimony make you
feel?
I was shocked. Caixuan had childcare experience/qualifications and her explanations made sense to me. Only when the doctor showed the injuries did I see they covered the whole body.
I had seen only the head and feeding method. Better awareness could have revealed it.
Anything you regret not doing?
Should have asked my sister more, cared about her condition and watched the child more.
On April 30 you were asked whether you deleted phone exchanges
with Caixuan?
Yes. First time facing this, very nervous, and some exchanges were inappropriate.
Did Caixuan tell you to delete, or yourself?
I deleted them myself. But I learned I should not delete these records.
Dr. Hsu says you struggle to express yourself?
I do struggle with parent communication; mostly I care for children.
Caixuan’s children said you led [source typo]?
The business was my mother-in-law’s, staffed by my family. If a parent complained, she scolded me. I felt pressure; she said my family stole money,
and kept telling me to drive out my family’s young people working there.
Complex relationships: not necessarily weaker?
I had the childcare qualification; Caixuan learned gradually later, so I was registered.
I had work pressure; privately when they were angry, I would stop speaking.
The report mentions a mutual friend of over thirty years [source typo]. How long?
Since she brought her child to us. She is a parent. Not thirty-plus, probably twenty-plus, not that long. She sells insurance and would ask
whether we wanted policies.
Experience caring for autism?
Helped as a student.
For example autistic children, or circumstances like A’s?
The foundation asked whether I wanted to; I wanted the challenge.
Do you think one isolated basin incident led to being
mistaken for an accomplice in abusing A?
That is what I think.
Another charged case involved a pacifier cord entanglement?
In that case a video was sent to the child’s grandfather.
After the January 21, 2025 assessment report, did counsel let you
see it?
I saw injuries, not clearly. Only when the doctor drew and explained each in court did I know.
Seen it before court?
Yes, not very closely.
Still wholly deny offenses, admitting only negligent injury?
Yes, I really did not hit him.
After the trial so far, was your sister’s claim of protecting A
right?
Some conduct needs correction; more classes are needed.
Should you have discouraged her via LINE? Any
regrets?
At the time I thought she was venting. She explained when we met; it seemed reasonable.
Might she vent anger on the child?
I did not think that far.
Did you lend your sister NT$100,000?
Yes, I did.
Attend rituals?
Sometimes; she went every day, I went when free.
When were you free?
Daytime, no particular plans; if she asked, we went together.
Other relatives attended?
Caixuan and I did; no one else.
Who were you closest to after divorce?
Eldest sister and Caixuan.
Relationship with your son?
Very good.
Do you chat?
When he comes home, having late-night snacks.
About what?
School matters.
When/what do you talk with sisters?
When we meet.
No matching Q&A.
Hearing timetable attached to Prison Watch’s original
Originally on DAY9 PDF p.1, this lists the ninth hearing, sentencing procedures and planned times. The source context is preserved; it is not independent evidence of offense facts.
第9日｜原始紀錄逐列全文（併入完整紀錄）
本區直接依監所關注小組原始公開頁的表格順序重製，共 2 個表格、119 列。不合併問題、不濃縮回答；原始空白欄位保持空白並明確標示。上方導讀與摘要不得取代本區。
原始表格 01｜82 列
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劉彩萱辯護人訊問
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被告劉彩萱回答
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111年間是在家製作傳統小吃，收入如何？
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一般般
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具體一點
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有（訂）單就有收入，一個月有幾張單的，平均大概1萬，最多是端午節有1萬7，這是平均所得，兩人（和劉若琳）平分之後的
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為何轉做托育？
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有照顧妹妹小孩，友人也建議
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為何沒堅持拒絕帶A童？
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因為1.床位問題，怕以後排小孩會比較難排、2.沒有接到案子，收托減少，收入就會減少
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111年到112年4月有負債嗎？
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自己的償完了，先生的不太清楚，我沒有能力扛，不過問
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為何負債？
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先生用我名義借貸
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多少錢？怎麼還？
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大概本金百萬以上，和銀行談分期
從兒子高中開始，不太記得了
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房子是誰的，要繳房租嗎？
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是姐姐的房子，欠一年多，10來萬，姐姐沒有跟我要，但希望能盡可能還，不要欠
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111年前作小吃時的收入？
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111年前大概3萬多，111年～112年4月，1萬多。112年9月～12月，5萬多，是人生收入最多的時候
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若兒福聯盟說照顧兒童是緣分，不會不派案，那妳會敢說了吧？
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是
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疏文是誰擬的？為何？
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本來只要在紙上寫的，宮主女兒建議我先打出來看看合不合適，才會寫上去
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用意是什麼？
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本來是希望助A童往生淨土，其他信重建議可以寫些其他訴求，最主要是想請仙佛帶A童的西方極樂世界
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為何用劉若琳的手機傳？
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12月24日當日手機就被警方扣了
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疏文寫：「阿姨所犯下的疏失」，妳想的是什麼？
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開壇時向佛祖稟報，圓壇後燒掉
對他造成的傷害，讓他失去寶貴生命
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綁他也算嗎？
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是
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疏文內容有告訴任何人嗎？
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沒有
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法會誰安排的？誰建議的？
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宮主娘建議的
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一共辦了幾天？每天都有去嗎？
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12天，天天都有參與
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是誠心想道歉嗎？
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是
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為何沒跟任何人講？
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沒有勇氣
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在看守所請辯護人去談和解，律師是怎麼跟妳回報的？
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找家屬和解，說家屬沒有意願
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談和解的資金來源？
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我有保險習慣，有請辯護人去問保險員，解除價值準備，可以拿到多少，回覆說是80-100萬元
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有承認綁縛、罰站，但不承認有虐待？在警方和檢察官偵訊時也沒有說真話，現在為何承認？
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是。內心的愧疚日增，沒有日減。不敢說真話是因為覺得刑事責任很可怕
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現在不覺得了嗎？
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還是會，但很自責
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去年10月跟徐醫師鑑定團隊還是說謊嗎？
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是，不敢面對
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妳的宗教信仰會怎麼認為？
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輪迴
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A童有一天會討報嗎？
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我不知道
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宗教信仰是認罪原因之一嗎？
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是
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檢察官訊問
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被告劉彩萱回答
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和劉若琳經營幼兒園的地點？
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4樓1號、6號1樓，兩邊打通，後再隔開
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三姊妹共同經營的嗎？
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是
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收哪些幼兒？
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從0歲到大班，10多人
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費用價格？
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每個月每位幼兒收1萬元
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妳算是有經驗的，遇到幼兒哭鬧調皮不符從要怎麼做？
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安撫，然後回報家長
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和兒盟的合作？
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第一次，當年的5月
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也是準備出養的嗎？
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是，但後來媽媽捨不得就接回去了
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為何和兒盟合作？
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宮廟女兒、友人賴小姐自己帶勵馨的孩子，有建議我，所以我有打電話去勵馨問，說目前沒有小孩，可以先跑程序（在宅居服申請），另外也提供給我一些其他機構，所以我就主動聯絡，第二個就聯繫兒福聯盟
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受過的訓練？
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以幼兒為主，以照顧他們的需求為主
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A童算是「高需求」幼兒嗎？
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沒聽過
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自己照顧的幼兒會自撞是不好的？
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當時是這樣覺得
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有通報陳社工嗎？
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沒有，怕不再給小孩
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答辯人主張A童難照顧，有完整求救嗎？
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沒有，怕失去收入
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有對其他兒童綁縛、包起來等嗎？
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沒有
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審判長：不要再問事實了，問科刑就好
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在A童身上的不法手段是幼兒照顧的教學嗎？
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不是
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1天1千元會否太少？
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是
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112年12月24日是妳送去萬芳醫院，醫院有請妳聯絡A童家人嗎？
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是我送去的，可聯絡窗口社工，沒辦法聯絡家屬
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有什麼感覺？
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緊張感，心跳加快，我不知道
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妳跟急診醫生說12月23日食慾、活動都正常？
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我記得我沒有跟醫生接觸到，只有警察問我有沒有聯絡到了？
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所以急診黃醫師說的不對嗎？
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不知道，我一直在聯絡社工，她說她不一定到，但會聯絡家屬
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12月26日Mira作證說，你和大姊的兒子去找Mira說不要跟警察亂說，就說沒看到，有這件事嗎？
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沒有，我跟她說，看到什麼就說什麼，不知道就說不知道
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對急診黃醫師Mira的說法，有妨礙偵查的動作嗎？
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有吧，不夠坦誠、勇敢
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跟辯護人說A童中午以後活動力不佳？
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有
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疏文內容是想要避免牢獄之災，還是送A童引渡到往生之地？
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都有吧
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妳說到審判中聽呂立醫師講，才知道會造成小孩死亡？
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我是這麼認為
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那在疏文裡所說回答辯護人的呢？
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也是
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就妳所承認的三條罪是10年1月到無期徒刑，你自己的意見呢？
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辯護人異議，量刑不該由當事人來說
審判長裁定異議成立，量刑是法院的工作
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10:15休庭。10:37入庭
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國民法官（2號）詢問
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被告劉彩萱回答
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兒福聯盟有說多久會找到出養嗎？
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沒有，我不知道
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預期會和A童相處多久？
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沒有辦法預期
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妳對A童照顧的疏失不會擔心排不到床位？
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當時沒有想那麼多
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國民法官（4號）詢問
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被告劉彩萱回答
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辯護人沒讓妳看過鑑定報告嗎？
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有，但是沒有仔細看
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受命法官詢問
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被告劉彩萱回答
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案發後有跟其他家人說明情形？
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忙於法會，沒有什麼時間相互接觸，兒子都很挽回家，先生看電視累了也就睡了
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妳大姑有依照妳的口述傳LINE給先生？
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透過先生，找大姑幫忙找律師
律師要求過程說明紀錄，所以12月30日約在民權東／西路的早餐店口述傳給律師
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妳告訴律師和家人的是不實？
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在應該是吧，有所隱瞞的嗎
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審判長詢問
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被告劉彩萱回答
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3名子女有住在一起嗎？
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兒子有，女兒沒有。女兒過年會回來，平常她們會主動視訊，1、2個月一次，有時候短短幾分鐘，有時候超過1小時
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和兒子、先生會聊天、討論事情嗎？
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不會
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會和大姊聊天嗎？
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大姊在上班，沒有辦法，假日會
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兒子有給生活費嗎？有要過嗎？
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沒有
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A童除了額頭和綁縛傷勢外，妳到現在還是認為是A童自摔或行為偏差造成的嗎？
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對不起，我錯了
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針對問題回答
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應該說是我造成的
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審理至今的感受？
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對孩子的傷害太深，導致他喪失了生命，用不恰當的行為在照顧A童，造成這麼大的痛苦，是我的錯
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辦法會的錢從哪裡來的？
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一共30萬元，兒盟給我的錢提領10萬，劉若琳幫我10萬，宮主我請他做善事10萬就不要收了
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劉若琳是借妳還是給妳的？
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借，我是這樣跟她說的
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為何要經過劉若琳同意才能辦法會？
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宮主娘建議的，我沒有馬上同意，因為我的錢不夠。劉若琳願意幫我，才能去辦法會
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有劉若琳說為什麼要辦法會嗎？她怎麼回應妳？
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我說要幫孩子超渡，她說這樣很好
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劉若琳辯護人訊問
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被告劉若琳回答
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宮主是怎麼跟妳說要做法會的呢？
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她跟我說要做法會，要30萬，我叫她去談談看可否少一點，後來她來了，跟我說，畢竟一個小孩在妳手中，就這樣沒了
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有說為什麼要做法會嗎？
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沒有
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妳看到鑑定人的鑑定報告和作證，有什麼感受？
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我真的有一點嚇到，劉彩萱有幼保經驗、有證照，跟我的解釋有道理。醫師露出來的傷勢，我才看怎麼會全身都是傷，我只有看到頭、餵食的方式，如果我的察覺力好一點，就可以發現了
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有沒有什麼後悔當初沒有做的？
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應該多去問姐姐，關心姐姐的狀況，多看小孩
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4月30日問過有沒有刪和劉彩萱手機的對話紀錄？
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有。第一次碰到這種事情，很緊張，且對話有不適當的
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劉彩萱叫妳刪的，還是妳自己刪的？
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我自己刪掉的。但我有學到不應該刪掉這些紀錄
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徐醫師說妳不太會表達？
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確實不太會跟家長溝通，比較都在帶小孩
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劉彩萱的爾女說妳主導？
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因為事業是婆婆的，用娘家的人，只要有一個家長去告狀，婆婆就會唸我，我真的有壓力，婆婆說我娘家的人會偷錢，一直要我趕走來打工的娘家小孩們
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說關係複雜，妳不一定是弱勢？
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我有教保員證照，劉彩萱是後來慢慢學，所以登記的是我
工作上有我自己的壓力，私下她們如果生氣，我就不會講話
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報告中有一個30幾年的故同好友，認識多久？
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從小孩帶來給我們照顧開始，她是家長。沒有30幾年，應該是20幾年，沒那麼久。她是從事保險業務的，在保險上會問我們要不要投保
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有照顧過自閉症的經驗？
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學生時代有協助過
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例如是自閉症小孩，或像是A童這樣的狀況？
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兒盟有問過我要不要，我有想要挑戰
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是否認為是單純的個案（澡盆事件），讓妳被誤會是凌虐A童的共犯？
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我是這樣認為
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檢察官訊問
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被告劉若琳回答
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另外有一件起訴的案件，奶嘴的繩子纏繞？
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那件事，有傳影片給幼兒的阿公看
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劉若琳辯護人異議，造成國民法官心證
審判長裁定異議成立，還沒有判決要無罪推論
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114年1月21日鑑定報告出來以後，律師有給妳看過嗎？
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我有看到傷但沒有很清楚，醫生到現場用畫圖畫出傷勢，一個個說明，我才知道
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開庭前有看過嗎？
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有，但沒有很仔細看
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還是完全否認犯行，只承認過失傷人？
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是，我真的沒有打他
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1115休庭。1131入庭
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國民法官（4號）詢問
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被告劉若琳回答
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審理到現在，姐姐說要保護A童的說法是對的嗎？
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有些行為要修正，應該要多上點課
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有覺得該在傳LINE時勸她不要這樣做嗎？會後悔嗎？
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當下覺得是在抒發她的狀況，碰面的時候會解釋給我聽，覺得合理
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姐姐會不會為了發洩，把氣出在小孩身上？
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我沒有想那麼多
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受命法官詢問
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被告劉若琳回答
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有借10萬元給姐姐嗎？
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有
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有去法會嗎？
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有時候有去，她每天都會去，我有空就會去
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有空的時候是什麼時候？
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白天，沒有特別的事的時候，她問我，就一起去
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審判長詢問
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被告劉若琳回答
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其他家人有去嗎？
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我和劉彩萱有去，其他人沒有
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離婚後和家人感情跟誰比較好？
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大姊、劉彩萱
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和兒子感情如何？
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很好
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會聊天嗎？
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他回家的時候，吃宵夜的時候
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聊什麼？
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學校的事情
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和姊妹何時聊天，聊什麼？
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有碰面的時候
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11:40休庭。14:10入庭
下午處理訴訟參與代理人意見陳述
開延押庭
〔下午未參與〕
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